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Also, on wining and dining, I think it gets too harsh of a rap. Yes, women can use it to take advantage of men. Yes, some women view it as a sign of weakness. However, if you can afford it, it’s not a bad strategy to expand your dating/hooking up pool. I can afford to drop $150 on 2 dates with a girl every couple weeks without it being a big deal to my financial well-being. Wining and dining expands your pool from girls who will go home with you from a bar to girls who will f*ck you after a couple dates. A couple not too expensive dates for ***? Fair trade in my book. And as a guy with some experience with women, it’s pretty easy to tell on date 1 if it’s going nowhere. If you’re unsure, do a super cheap date next time (shake shack, $10). There are a lot of girls, especially high SMV ones, who won’t go home from a bar with a guy, and won’t “hang out” with him unless it’s in a date setting. It’s not necessarily that they’re looking to use him, it’s often for the same reasons Grace and Susan outlined. And who knows, on some of these dates you might find out she’s awesome and worth more of your time.

Yes, women extremely often conflate length of effort with level of effort. I’ve never understood why. Taking 2 minutes every other day to send a text is not even effort in my book.

172deti May 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Liza: “The men on here can say they have a hard time paying for dates and what not, but if that was the way for them to get laid or relationship from a woman of any SMV they would gladly do it. The only reason men are getting away with this behavior is because most women have very low expectations for themselves.”

Herb: “I bolded that part because you’re right but you totally blow it in the next sentence. You’re not wrong per se but you’re missing a key problem.

“Most red-pill men have learned doing the bolded part is much more likely to land you in beta-orbit land than in having a girlfriend land.”